Elementary draws

@Entuzijasta @mcgoves OTB if you have less than 2 minutes on your clock you can "claim" a draw by stopping the clock and calling the arbiter. Your claim must be based on the fact that your opponent is making no efforts to win the game or the game cannot be won by normal means. N vs N should be an obvious case, but the decision is passed to the arbiter and there can be tricky situations.

Take 8/8/5b2/8/K7/8/kp6/3N4 b - - 0 1 as an example. White requested a draw due to b1Q Nc3+ Bxc3 stalemate. But Black played b1B!! resulting in an endgame that is won according to tablebase ignoring 50 moves, and with plenty of possibilities for White to lose earlier.

All of this holds no relevance online so FIDE rules are implemented the easiest way. Besides when you play online and not in face-to-face contact with your opponent, there's way less inhibition to play on a dead drawn endgame.

@Cedur216 said in #31:
> @Entuzijasta @mcgoves OTB if you have less than 2 minutes on your clock you can "claim" a draw by stopping the clock and calling the arbiter. Your claim must be based on the fact that your opponent is making no efforts to win the game or the game cannot be won by normal means. N vs N should be an obvious case, but the decision is passed to the arbiter and there can be tricky situations.
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> Take 8/8/5b2/8/K7/8/kp6/3N4 b - - 0 1 as an example. White requested a draw due to b1Q Nc3+ Bxc3 stalemate. But Black played b1B!! resulting in an endgame that is won according to tablebase ignoring 50 moves, and with plenty of possibilities for White to lose earlier.
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> All of this holds no relevance online so FIDE rules are implemented the easiest way. Besides when you play online and not in face-to-face contact with your opponent, there's way less inhibition to play on a dead drawn endgame.
what is with positions like this. my oppenent told me: i know it is 100% draw but I won't draw because i will flag you

This seems like a dead draw, but generally speaking, opposite-colored bishop endgames are far from drawn when there's immense time trouble.

But it's not possible a player even let them selves reach that position. That's a help mate. Back it up one move. (Back it up two plies.) 6nk/5N2/6K1/8/8/8/8/8 b - - 23 12

This position can only be done by a sandbagger that is trying hard to lose the game. So any chess game has not draws, all they have to do is help them selves to lose. Shack your head, what do you hear, rules or logic?

Shame on the flaggers that know it's not possible to win by normal means. It hasn't been 2 decades that lichess exists an it is still changing and there is nothing wrong with making changes.

If all cars were not permitted to change they would all be FORD.

You understand this has zero relevance when someone runs out of time?

Rules are a set of guidelines. Guidelines can change. It's like code it needs to be updated. Over the decades the rules and time controls have changed. So it does get updated. If GM's want, they can lead the others into the assumed light of probabilities.

The next time you are left with KN vs KN, think about KN vs K and get ride of your knight or push it far away from your king. Recognise it for what it is and let the rule makers amend their rules.

Or, you know, don't play 30+0 and other 0-increment meme time controls.

Yes, a loss in K+N vs K+N is only possible by “self mate.” However, you can argue that any drawn position is only possible to lose by self mate since you must make a mistake in order for the position to go from drawn to losing.